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Originally Posted by kfscala When I write about stray or abandoned dogs, I am, of course, aware that I have this typical First World attitude (European or American) towards our pets--caring, loving and feeding them, and to think in another way would be foreign to me, to you and to us. How could anyone, anywhere treat their cat or dog not as animal-person? People in other countries far away from our occidental world, whose culture is foreign to us and who hold views contrary to ours, is for some of us in America and Europe quite perplexing and frustrating to understand. Actually, though it is not so difficult to understand when you begin with 'their' view of the world. We cannot ever understand how they could feel: the people in their communities have to struggle daily for basic survival and the last thing they think about is caring for and feeding dogs or cats. We need to recognize that here, now, in Italy as in the U.S.A., our ethic is a First World ethic and not universally shared. That happens because we have a "different" standpoint in the life. We take it for granted here in Italy--in Europe--that we should care for our pets, watch over our neighbor's treatment of their pet(s), report animal abuse, care for the stray ones, or rush a sick little cat or dog to the Veterinarian when there is an emergency. But in less affluent parts of the world these things don't even matter, they are trivial because even humans may not matter, let alone an animal. (Even in Italy as recent as 50 years ago, the culture of the Basilicata region in the south of Italy was considered inhumane, and only in recent years has it vastly improved) What matters in such societies is something we, in the prosperous occidental world, cannot even relate to because we and our pets have such a spoiled life here in Europe and America, and not only that, but we and the animals here have "rights", so that we lose sight of the reality that happens elsewhere and develope taken-for-granted assumptions about the life of domestic animals. Some Scandinavian countries, for example, make strong efforts to protect "rights" of animals, where in other countries or parts of the world such an extension of rights to non-human animals would be considered absurd--humans there may not even get treated with the barest of dignity--just consider the countries with caste systems! The capitalist society that we live in, whether in America or Europe, has changed our views and the way we 'culturally' practice the human life experience and the life of animals. We Europeans and Americans live a consumption-hungry society, who have nothing better to do at times than to worry about where to take our dog "Sputnik" for their bath and grooming, or which dog cookies to buy for "Sputnik" , or which pension to put "Sputnik" in when we go on summer holidays. And we cringe at the thought of animal abuses. Our First World ethics towards animals here in Europe, is, for the most part, just that, an ethics we have created for our Western society so that we don't feel guilty when we do something wrong or can justify our criticisms of others when someone abandons their dog, etc. As I said before, in other parts of the world such an ethic does not even enter into the minds of people, as some human beings are not even accorded some minimal dignity. The last thing they think about is a dog or cat starving on the street. But, of course, if we live in an affluent society here in Europe, as compared to other places, that means we should at least try to treat our animal friends with kindness and dignity, as there is no reason to mistreat them (just because that in other parts of the world non-human animals are treated inhumanely). It is sad, that here in Europe cats and dogs are treated as "animal-persons", whereas in other parts of the world many humans along with cats and dogs are looked upon and treated as non-persons, and even violated. But in the very end, and I assume most would agree, that it is always better to treat living creatures--whose eyes we look into--with dignity, especially if they only have one life to live, isn't it?
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M.A., M.Phil/Ph.d (cand) | Thank you for your comments regarding pets in Italy. My daughter and I are planning a trip to Italy in the upcoming months. We'd like to stay 6 months. Our dog, Sophia, is 9 years old and we would like to take her with us. My question for you is two fold--is this advisable and what would your advise be on trying to find an apartment that takes dogs? Actually ANY advise you have on living in Italy would be so very appreciated!
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Hi Cynthia,
Apartments here in Italy do allow dogs. It all depends on who you are renting from. Some people like dogs and cats and some do not. When looking at advertisemtns for available apartments it willusually state whether they allow pets or not. It is best to be upfront and say "we have a dog" and ask if they will allow your dog to stay there.
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Thank you Teresa for your kind defense of Italian pet owners. I don't have a lot more to say about the issue, I just appreciate your fair input.
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The other day I was in my Italian class, and we had a chapter in our text book, where we had to read a letter from a magazine, lettera a un giornale......" ....sono una giornalista e vivo a Mialno: per motivi di lavoro in agosto non vado in ferie e resto in citta'. Spesso, la sera, quando torno a casa, vedo canii e gatti che girano affamati e che cercano il cibo tra i rifuti. La gente, prima di partire per le vacanze, dovrebbe pensare agli animali che sono stati amici fedeli durante il resto dell'annno".
I can see that there are people that care about the poor animals, but a lot of others who don't. What intrigues me is whether in big cities like Rome or Milan, there are paid facilities where one can leave a pet while going on vacation? I have seen such facilities in various countries I have travelled in, does Italy have them too?
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What's this one life idea? Are you saying this applies to us and animals or just us? I'm not sure I understand. www.myabruzzohome.com | 
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does anyone know of any apartments that DO accept pets? I have 2 siberian huskies that will be moving with me to rome in January.
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Originally Posted by incognito101081 does anyone know of any apartments that DO accept pets? I have 2 siberian huskies that will be moving with me to rome in January. | I think you'll need to find more an apt with AIR CONDITIONING! Siberian Huskies in the heat of the summer sounds like a terrible mix. Most apts. are like in the US, you find animals accepted or you find non accepted.
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Re: bringing dogs to Italy
As the owner of Trevor the Dog (thus my login) who I call velcro dog, he comes with me everywhere: on trains, to meetings, in restaurants even the movies! (but there, I have to sneak him in and, at 20lbs., he's not tiny!) Many hotels take them, too, just ask and move on if they say no. So, if your dog is docile and cute as can be, they'll even bring over a plate of pasta for him in most restaurants. Taxis in milan don't mind, in Rome, they mind a lot.
With a muzzle, he can even go on buses and trams and, armed with a tkt, in the metro (subway).
In short, Italy is extremely dog friendly, except when they're abandoning them all each August (see my blog entry, http://burntbythetuscansun.blogspot....dogs-life.html )
Good luck!
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So we're back once more to the beginning. Dog owners in Italy really do abandon their dogs on August 1 so they can go to the beach unemcumbered???
If this is true, I think it's barbaric.
Also, if this is true I still stick with my original thought, though... I suspect that while this does happen, there are many many dog owners who would never dream of doing it, and who also think it's barbaric.
I'd like to hear from an Italian who has witnessed this, or who knows people who do this, who can explain what this phenomenon is about.
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