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Old 09-17-2008, 06:19 PM
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Joe - don't the different parties have basic issues they always stick to? Is one "left" or "right", one more socially-minded and the other more capitalistic, or isn't it like that in the US? (please forgive my ignorance of US politics, but I can't vote there so haven't taken much of an interest until the election results come in)
Yes each party has issues that they generally stick too, which i believe is a dumb system, then again the whole electoral college is a dumb system, but thats just my opinion.

My point is that neither side has to be directly left or right winged, they can have moderate opinions, but the people don't look at that. Ron Paul for example, he was republican but i loved many of what he stood for. He didnt have a chance though because he was too honest.

Another situations is the sole fact that people vote based on unimportant factors. Hillary for example, many women wanted her because shes a woman, many men didnt want her because shes a woman.

Obama- many blacks are voting for him because he's black, many whites wont vote for him because he's black.

I hate this divide we have here based on race and gender. And i blame a lot on the media. When you turn on the tv its all about, hillary is getting the female vote, obama is getting this much of the minority vote. Its all dumb and i get really frustrated about it. Thats probably why i rarely, EVER, discuss politics.
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Old 09-17-2008, 06:56 PM
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George McCain scares the hell out of me.

He will be worse than Bush. McCain will lie to your face and call you stupid and unpatriotic for question his decisions.

His decision to place Palin in a position of the Presidency is a measure of the horrible decision making that we (hopefully) wont see in the next 4 years.

No amount of logic can bring me to the conclusion to vote for McCain, however about 50% of the people in polls vote McCain.

It just doesn't make sense to me.

but, as George Carlin once said "imagine how stupid the average person is, then remember, half of them are stupider than that!"
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With respect to left and right - you have to be careful - it depends on the country - what these terms can mean...

For the USA: Right is conservative - favoring the status quo - and favoring business interests - which aligns with Republican party. Left is liberal - favoring social change and people issues - and favoring environmental issues - which aligns with the Democratic party.
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Let's say that US's left is much closer to Italian right wing than to Italian left.
But Italy since always tends to deeper extremisms.

Not that it's bad, two coalitions that are so similar like in US can't make much difference. It's all about capitalism anyways, at least we have a voice which say something else.
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It is clear that America is desperate for change. However, will Obama be able to deliver? Is he credible and independent enough to break from the old shibboleths and set the stage for the future?
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Old 09-17-2008, 08:54 PM
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I will be voting for Obama. I am voting for a "change" and I hope most of our Americans do the same. We can't keep going down the same paths of destruction. Even though I support our military to the death, I do not agree with the way our Government has put them in harms way for no reason. George was led down the wrong road too and was trying to make up for what his Dad couldn't do.
Of course I was totally shocked that George jr. made it for 2 terms.
We won't know until Nov 4th. I hope all of our Americans living overseas have sent in their absentee ballots.
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Obama doesn't really have that much more experience than Palin so why is he qualified to be president and she's not for v.p. according to the media and many Americans.
Very politely asked; Why do so many non-Americans care so much about our politics?
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Obama doesn't really have that much more experience than Palin so why is he qualified to be president and she's not for v.p. according to the media and many Americans.
Very politely asked; Why do so many non-Americans care so much about our politics?
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I'm going to assume its because we are a world superpower. Many countries model themselves after us. If we start a war it effects everyone. Just about every country in the world is dependent upon the performance of our economy. Thats a few reasons why many non-americans care about our politics.
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Why do so many non-Americans care so much about our politics?
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Because your politics will affect also ours.
And we all wish what's best for America, because it means the best for all of NATO countries.
Strange how those who most wish good for US are foreigners huh?
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Does the US really need more of the same? The Bush administration has destroyed everything and McCain has sided with Bush 90% of the time, the Rebulicans/Conservatives have no respect for people, animals or enviornment. My vote obviously goes to Obama. But the real question is not "is he qualified" but rather can he fix 8 years of disaster? Probably not, but he and his administration can adjust to putting the US back in the right direction. The 8 years of Bush and the Neocons has caused enough problems, financial problems and enviornmental problems to take the next 30 years to just scratch the surface of repairs in other words, we are in deep poop without a floatation device. As one investor put it, "we always had a map to fix financial problems and learn from our mistakes, now we are without a map and we are lost in uncharted waters and is it even possible to find our way back".
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