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Old 03-24-2009, 07:40 PM
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Frank, Last night I watched the movie Battle for Haditha. I found myself saying, "Please don't kill that little baby!"
I know you must think I'm a terrible person for not wanting little Iraqi babies killed but I just can't help myself.

The battle for Haditha is an investigation of the massacre of 24 men, women and children in Haditha, Iraq allegedly
shot by 4 U.S. Marines in retaliation for the death of a U.S. Marine killed by a roadside bomb. The movie follows
the story of the Marines of Kilo Company, an Iraqi family, and the insurgents who plant the roadside bomb. |

Unsubtle but gripping, Battle For Haditha illustrates how a military that treats every man, woman, and child as a
potential enemy can soon find that such thinking constitutes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

There are far worse dictators than Saddam Hussein yet the U.S. does not invade their countries. There was not one 9/11 terrorist
from Iraq. Most were from Saudi Arabia that has a terrible dictator yet we don't invade Saudi Arabia.

So let's invade Iran so we can have more shock and awe and more massacres by U.S. soldiers on women and children.

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Old 03-24-2009, 07:51 PM
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I think both views are at extreme ends of the spectrum, but I'd have to say Villa that if nothing is done, you may well, in a few years time, be watching a film about Iran and Israel saying "please don't kill those 80,000 little babies". Invasion may not be the answer, but Iran having nuclear weapons is the biggest threat to the world at the moment, and is totally unacceptable.
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I think both views are at extreme ends of the spectrum, but I'd have to say Villa that if nothing is done, you may well, in a few years time, be watching a film about Iran and Israel saying "please don't kill those 80,000 little babies". Invasion may not be the answer, but Iran having nuclear weapons is the biggest threat to the world at the moment, and is totally unacceptable.
The American people are done with war for now. Just like at the end of the Viet Nam war. You'll have to wait at least another
10 years for your invasion of Iran. In the meantime would like to know how Iran is going to deliver these supposed atomic bombs
they might have. Probably the same way that Iraq was suppose to do it. Oh, that's right Iraq didn't even have atomic bombs
let alone a way to deliver them.

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The American people are done with war for now. Just like at the end of the Viet Nam war. You'll have to wait at least another
10 years for your invasion of Iran. In the meantime would like to know how Iran is going to deliver these supposed atomic bombs
they might have. Probably the same way that Iraq was suppose to do it. Oh, that's right Iraq didn't even have atomic bombs
let alone a way to deliver them.
I actually said "invasion may not be the answer". America probably won't be involved - at the first sign of Iran having nuclear capability Israel will sort it. I'm no fan of Israel, especially after the latest Palestine invasion, but they won't sit back and wait to be "obliterated" (again). As for delivery of the weapons - look at the map - Iran is close enough to Israel to use the missiles they already have. No, they won't reach the USA, but Israel, their number one target, and Europe (especially the UK) are next on the list and well within striking distance.
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Old 03-24-2009, 08:54 PM
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The American people are done with war for now. Just like at the end of the Viet Nam war. You'll have to wait at least another
10 years for your invasion of Iran. In the meantime would like to know how Iran is going to deliver these supposed atomic bombs
they might have. Probably the same way that Iraq was suppose to do it. Oh, that's right Iraq didn't even have atomic bombs
let alone a way to deliver them.
Villa, please don't ever underestimate the power of Iran, they have the fire power to delver it and the army and Navy to back it up, we trained them and they are good. The best chance we have is their young people, they want out of that repressive regime and now that the young are in the majority, it will only be a short amount of time before they crumble from inside.
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frank you said that the reason why the US initiated war against Iraq was because they didn't let the IAEA or whatever inspect there nuclear and that it had nothing to do with OIL, I think you are sooooooooo wrong.
tell me how would killing iraqi families and force american youth to kill or get killed help stopping a country from killing???
so do you think that killing iraqi and irani children would be better than considering the possiblity of war against the US or Israel???
that's what war does civilians get killed wether we like it or not, and the UN don't do a damn thing about it.
I hate Israel but as a government and not people. Do I want Israel to vanish? of course I do, Israel has no business stealing away palestinean land and murdering men, women, and children. But do I want a single Israeli civilian harmed? of course I don't, some Israeli people even hate what is going on and the war on ghaza.
I don't think that an american president would do much help since things are already tense between Iran and USA and from what I understand the Irani president doesn't like it either. I also don't think that america's history with nuclear is doing much help to ease things.
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The American people are done with war for now. Just like at the end of the Viet Nam war. You'll have to wait at least another
10 years for your invasion of Iran. In the meantime would like to know how Iran is going to deliver these supposed atomic bombs
they might have. Probably the same way that Iraq was suppose to do it. Oh, that's right Iraq didn't even have atomic bombs
let alone a way to deliver them.
Villa, even if America is done with war for now, sadly war may not be done with us. You just can't put your head in the sand. Just because mistakes were made in one war, it doesn't mean another situation somewhere else that may require military action should be downplayed or ignored. Emotion especially fear is the enemy of reason.
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Villa, even if America is done with war for now, sadly war may not be done with us. You just can't put your head in the sand. Just because mistakes were made in one war, it doesn't mean another situation somewhere else that may require military action should be downplayed or ignored. Emotion especially fear is the enemy of reason.
initiating war will only kill more people on both sides, I don't see how any military action done by the US would help saving lives???
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initiating war will only kill more people on both sides, I don't see how any military action done by the US would help saving lives???
Finally a sensible minded person who actually cares about human life.

The real reason for war is profit for a very small perhaps even less than 1% of the people like Cheny's relatives that own the
company that supplies food to the troops in Iraq. They are not interested in winning any war just keeping it going to get as
much profit as possible. They keep us arguing like we are now while they rape us for fun and profit. In the meantime U.S. soldiers
are killing innocent people and coming back ruined for life or commenting sucide or killing their families etc. etc.

This reminds me of one time when I was in Italy. One of our truck drivers that couldn't drive to save his life or anybody else's life
ran over and flatten a small Italian car killing an Italian man with his young wife right next to him. She was yelling you dirty
American murders you kill people everywhere you go around the world. Blood was everywhere. It was awful! What could I say to this
young lady. No, it's not true American soldiers don't kill people around the world and at home. Had to sit there and take it.
Just like in the movie Battle for Haditah that I watched last night.

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Finally a sensible minded person who actually cares about human life.

The real reason for war is profit for a very small perhaps even less than 1% of the people like Cheny's relatives that own the
company that supplies food to the troops in Iraq. They keep us arguing while they rape us for fun and profit. In the meantime
U.S. soldiers are killing innocent people and coming back ruined for life or commenting sucide or killing their families etc. etc.

This reminds me of one time when I was in Italy. One of our truck drivers that couldn't drive to save his life or anybody else's life
ran over and flatten a small Italian car killing an Italian man with his young wife right next to him. She was yelling you dirty
American murders you kill people everywhere you go around the world. Blood was everywhere. It was awful!
OK, leave things as they are and let Iran have nuclear weapons. I don't condone a war, but if Iran do not accept nuclear inspectors, give them fair warning to remove people from the sites and destroy them - Europe can do it. To do nothing is to leave all of Europe at the mercy of a fanatic lunatic with nukes. But not with the missiles to reach the US, so it's alright then.

Don't blame the soldiers on either side - they do a dirty job on behalf of the country they have sworn to serve, and often come back physically and mentally damaged as a result.
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