That very much depends on what you are trying to obtain or achieve Giovanni. For example, going to the Agenzie delle Entrate to get your codice fiscale is straight forward enough, but if you are going to set up in business, then nothing is straight forward and the process is not as quick as it in in the UK.

My point is that you should never underestimate the system over here, otherwise you may be in for a shock because each region will be different, not forgetting that a lot of public offices are poorly organized, sluggish, and completely uninterested in improvement.

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Thanks CJ, that does help to clarify things. But it doesn't sound a whole lot different from things in the US. But you are right not to underestimate anything in the system there. That should go for the system whether it's in the States or Europe.

Public offices around the world are probably similar in many ways, but in Italy their power is unlike anywhere else.

As far as the USA is concerned, I remember in 1990 when I walked into an FAA office in Teterboro New Jersey, filled in a few forms and walked away with the US equivalent of my Civilian British Pilots licence and associated ratings, without even having to pay a fee. It was really very simple and more straight forward than an American having to obtain the equivalent British licence.

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Mike, you might want to make another request.

I made a request of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services at www.uscis.gov/genealogy for an Index Search of my grandfather's naturalization records on 9/9/2008.

Today I received a letter saying they found his records and gave me the file numbers!

Now all I have to do is send $20 for a copy of one file and $35 for a copy of the other file - and I will have all of his alien registration papers - turns out he was never naturalized!

Carlo

Carlo: thanks for the feed back.

also http://www.jgsny.org has a ton of info as well for those looking for old records.

UPDATE:

I now have every document (I think) I need to go to the Boston Italian Consulate!!!

Even speaking to NY in person it took 4 people and 6 trips up and down stairs between departments (and 2 phone calls to my dad) to get the final document...the actual factual original certificate of naturalization of my biznonno (great grandfather).

The only questions now are the dates.

In 1914 he signed a "Declaration of Intention", saying he was willing and wanting to renounce his Italian citizenship.

In July of 1919, that was submitted to the court as part of his application for US citizenship.

In August 1919, his son was born.

February 1920 is the date of the actual signing and authorizing of his US citizenship.

So, it will greatly depend on which date Italy declares my greatgrandfather no longer an Italian citizen.

By all reasoning, it SHOULD be February 1920, but it is possible that Italy will claim that since he "Declared his intention" to abandon Italy in 1914 that this will all be for nothing (to me at least).

We shall see that the consulate says and I'll keep everyone updated.

Hi Mike,

Just wondering what updates you have since your July 08 post.

K

well, the update is that I now have all the documents I need and I have an appointment with the Boston Italian Consulate on Dec 17th!!

From there, we need translations done and every document from the US Government blessed with an apostalli(?), which make me very nervous.

The apostali is a certification by the US State Department that "blesses" the document so that the Italian Government will accept it.

This means I have to give up ownership of the documents for a while which makes me nervous that I will never see them again.

More to follow....

16 days to go!

We go to the Boston Consulate in just 16 days from now!!!

I just went through all the paper work I've gathered and there is so much wrong with it.

At some point in her life, my grand mother just assumed a new middle name which just magically starts appearing on documents.

Also, my grand father has 2 birth dates, my father doesn't official have a middle name and the names from "the old country (Italy)" just randomly change from document to document (Defilipo vs Difilipo vs DeFillipo, etc).

Most of the oddities are on the maternal side, so I hope it doesn't make too much of a difference.

Anyway, I'll find out in just 16 days and ya'll will find out in 17!!!

buon fortuno!!

Mike, if you get your Italian Citizenship,then what? Do you and your family plan to move to your homeland and if so what will you do there? Grazie.