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I guess my next question would be; What is the spiritual climate in Italy?

How seriously does Italy take religion? I have read (I don't remember where) that the Catholic church is on the decline and that occult practices are becoming more normal. Is this true?

What about the protestant church? Buddhism? Islam?
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A very interesting question there, Twila.

A friend of mine was complaining about her Italian relatives not wanting to attend mass when they came to visit
her in the U.S. Made the comment about how Italian nationals are not as reglious as Italian Americans.
In theory 87.8% of Italians identify themselves as Roman Catholics however only 36.8% considered themselves
practising Catholics and only 30.8% said they attended church every Sunday.

(A proposito, I love it when Catholics ask me if I'm Christian or Catholic. Anyone who
follows Christ is a Christian which of course includes Catholics. The correct question
would be are you Protestant or Catholic.)

While Catholicism is by far the strongest Christian denomination in Italy, and the country has more cardinals than
any other country in the world, it is also home to a significant minority of other Christian denominations. The oldest
of the non-Catholic entities, the Waldensian Evangelical Church, forms a single church with Methodists and is a pre-Lutheran
Protestant community (which then adopted Calvinist theology, so that it can be considered the
Italian branch of Reformed churches), based in some valleys of Piedmont.

In the 20th Century, Jehovah's Witnesses, Pentecostalism, non-denominational Evangelicalism, and Mormonism were the fastest-growing
Protestant churches. Immigration from Western, Central, and Eastern Africa at the beginning of the 21st Century has increased the
size of Baptist, Anglican, Pentecostal and Evangelical communities in Italy, while immigration from Eastern Europe has produced
large Eastern Orthodox communities. Interestingly enough in 2007 I personally met in Perugia, Umbria, Italia a Greek Orthodox
priest from Greece that told me he had gotten permission from the Pope to start the first Greek Orthodox church in Italy.

In 2006, Protestants made up 2.1% of Italy's population, and members of Eastern Orthodox churches comprised 1.2%.

In answer to your question about Islam, while immigrants live largely apart from mainstream Italian society - doing manual or factory
work or scraping a living peddling trinkets or vegetables on the streets - the influx of foreigners in recent years, many
of them Muslim, is rapidly changing the cultural makeup of this Roman Catholic country.

Something else interesting is how St.Francis of Assisi's order is part of the Catholic church but yet different.
Runs parallel with the Catholic church ma e diverso. Seems the Pope of the time didn't much care for it but allowed
it to exist because it became so popular or so I was told by one of my teachers at the Universita di Perugia. I saw
this when I visited Assisi last year. There were these people dressed in robes that seem to be
all spaced out talking about love while all the time moving around spaced out. Something like out of the 60's in the San
Francisco hippy days. Then there were these really nice nuns I met that were helping retarded childern in a center they
run right there next to Francesco's church. They seemed to be very sincere and just different than you average
run of the mill Catholic nuns.

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Well Villa,

There are many protestants who believe that catholics are so far off from what the bible teaches that they don't even consider them to be Christians. I had this debate with a Pentecostal once where she refused to call catholics "Christian"
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Between young people there is almost no faith at all, I am an atheist myself, and all 20yo or so that I know don't believe in God, or they don't go to church anyways.
Catholicism survives mainly for old people, the others are too smart (JK)
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Well Villa,

There are many protestants who believe that catholics are so far off from what the bible teaches that they don't even consider them to be Christians. I had this debate with a Pentecostal once where she refused to call catholics "Christian"
Well Giacomo, let me tell you that most prostestants groups or denominations don't believe that other prostestant groups are
Christians either. Have heard this back and forth bickering between people of the Christian faiths all my life. Mormons vs Jeovah Witness,
Baptist vs Methodists e cosi via. Somtimes it's over something so absurd as one group believing that baptisim should be with only
3 drops of water as opposed to 4 drops. LOL!

At any rate the fact remain that there are only 3 main branches of the Christian faith. Can you name them?
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At any rate the fact remain that there are only 3 main branches of the Christian faith. Can you name them?
That's easy Villa: Roman Catholic, Protestant & Greek Orthodox.

Giacomo, I am sorry that you ran into the problem that you did. Not all Protestants believe that way, nor do all Protestants believe the way you have described Villa. Unfortunately bad behavior turns a lot of people away from a faith in God.

Zidanie, I have a lot of athiest friends here in the U.S. We get into some great discussions. I think you are wonderful.


What about Occult practices? New age, wicca I have even heard that the Church of Satan (modern Satanism; aka Anton LeVey) has found a home in Italy.
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i'm not agree with zidanie.. it is true, Catholicism survives mainly for old people, but there are a lot of young people practicing Chatolism.. for example saturday, 8 Novembre, to Assisi, there will be a meeting for all Chatolics christian Roman university students, the fourth edition.. each yaer thousand of young partecipating
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Between young people there is almost no faith at all, I am an atheist myself, and all 20yo or so that I know don't believe in God, or they don't go to church anyways.
Catholicism survives mainly for old people, the others are too smart (JK)
Zidanie, how can you look at the beautiful girl in your arms and say there is no GOD?
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Roman catholic

Protetsant

Non-denominational
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If the apostles couldn't get it right during Jesus's ministry, what chance do we have?

There may be 3 major branches of Christianity, but they can be broken down even further - depending upon what council that church broke away from Rome.

Here are the one's that I can think of, feel free to add on:

Roman Catholic (remember catholicos = universal)
-Latin Rite
-Eastern Rite Catholics (22 separate denominations)


Orthodoxy -Eastern and Oriental
(some are in communion with each other and with Rome)
-Greek
-Russian (not to mention several Balkan orthodox churches)
-Assyrian
-Armenian (possibly the oldest organized church)
-Ethiopian (Abyssinian and Eritrean Tewahedo)
-Coptic (technically orthodox but monophysite)
-"Thomas" Christians (Mar Toma church of India, among others)
-Nestorians (Assyrian Church of the East)
-Syriac (East and West Syrian)

Protestantism
-Anglican
-Old Catholics (not in communion with Rome - communion with Anglicans)
-way too many for me to list.
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