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Old 02-22-2009, 03:57 AM
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Default How did Milano surpass Paris as the capital of fashion and cuisine?

Come'e che Milano ha superato Parigi ed e
diventata la capitale della moda e della cucina?

I don't know either but I'm going to Paris June 16th
and then down to Milano dopo so I let you know then.

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Hi Villa, it nice to talk with you and others. This is my 2 post.
Io non so dove hai trovato l'informazione che Milano ha sorpassato Parigi per la cucina e l'alta moda.
Milano è una città importante e ma lo è stata molto di più in passato.
Adesso con la prospettiva dell'EXPO 2015 si sta organizzando per bene e, certamente, si porterà ai suoi standars.
Temo però che in luglio, quando farai il tuo bel viaggio, rimarrai un pò deluso dal confronto tra Parigi e Milano. Posso dirti che una amica di famiglia che abita a MI va quando può a Parigi ma quando è tempo di tornare a MI, dice, le viene il magone.
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Why Paris is better then Milano?
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Old 02-22-2009, 09:13 PM
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Why Paris is better then Milano?
Si, perche? Voglio sapere anch'io
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The only fashion capital other than New York and Amsterdam I care to visit it Rome. I want to go to Rome for the histroy and not for the fashion.

I don't like how so many Italian and French designers use fur and I'm just not into fashion in general. I wear what I like because I like it not because it's the "in" thing.

I used to want to go to Paris only to see the Notre Dame and the Catacombs since the Catacombs is a unique thing in history and the Notre Dame is pretty. I know there are several pretty churches in Italy and there is something similar to the Catacombs in Palermo that I read about it. I much rather go to Palmero.

I'm keeping my mouth shut as to why I don't prefer the French culture.
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Old 02-22-2009, 09:54 PM
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"I'm keeping my mouth shut as to why I don't prefer the French culture."[/QUOTE]

The first time I went to France was after I had lived in Italy for awhile. The reason I liked France was because it reminded me of Italy. I spoke Italian and was able to communicate to some degree.

(The following is meant for all those people who say they don't like the French, their language and or culture. Not meant for Mellisa per se.
People have told me over the years that they don't like the French and their culture or I have read it molte volte.)

It's ironic that the French and Italian culture are dopo di tutto very similar. First France was a Roman colony for 100's of years.
Then the French have had a cultural influence on both northern and southern Italy. After the French conquered England in 1066 they
went down and did the samething in Sicily and southern Italy. There are many people of Italian origin living in France from more modern times too.
Italy's region of Valle D'Aosta is bilingual where they speak both Italian and French. Also the Italian region of Piamonte has a lot
of French influence in their culture and dialect. So we would have to dislike their culture and French influenced Italian dialect a little too.
It's really very silly to be prejudice against the French but at the sametime be so into Italian culture.
So let's see. You're someone who does not like the French culture and you meet somebody from ValleD'Aosta, Italy and you tell them you don't
like them and their French culture part. Or you meet somebody in Milano from Switzerland who's main language is French but you don't like French
culture so you tell them so. Then there are people from Belguim and Luxembourg who speak French too so we would have to dislike their culture too. LOL!)
It's really quite silly. What about all those African countries that speak French and have a French cultured life. Let's don't forget about them. We have
to dislike them too for speaking French and acting all Frenchy. LOL! There are after all 28 French speaking countries and they all speak French and operate
in that French culture that a lot of people say they don't like.

Personally I like Italian culture more than French culture but at the sametime I like the French language and culture
and am thankful that because I speak Italian I can learn both French and Spanish relativamente facilmente.

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I don't care for the French language but that's not why I don't like the cutlure.

Just because Belgium, Switzerland, African countries, Quebec, and several other countries speak French doesn't mean I don't like their culture. Langauges and cultures are two different things. A language is what you speak and a culture is the way of living.

I wanted to keep my mouth shut as to why I don't like the French culture, but I guess I'm kind of forced to share why.

The Southern part of France and the rest of France seems to have different cultures. If it wasn't for the fact that bull fighting is legal in the south of France then I would have love to visit the South of French. I can't say I would be instrested in learning the full language, but I would learn enough to get by.

The French kill animals in an ihumane way for food. That's one of the reasons I don't like the culture. As far as I know African cultures tend to respect animals more. The animals are killed in a humane way when they aren't deprived from the government or white raciests.

Yes, viel is common to eat in the Italian culture. When I wasn't a vegatarian I didn't eat veal because I didn't like the fact that a baby didn't get a chance to grow up and enjoy life for a few years. I also choose not to eat lobster do to the fact that they were boiled alive. The French have food such as stuff goose where they stuff the goose until it chokes to death.

The French people who visit Holland insist on everyone speaking French. They do not try to speak Dutch and will refuse to speak English which is the universal language.

When I was in the USA and the Qubec people came to visit they also insisted that we speak their langauge. The French and Qubec people tend to be arogent. Not all, but in general.

If someone comes from Africa, Switzerland, and Beligum they are not as argoent. In Beligum some of the things that are legal in France when it comes to animals is illegal in Beligum.

There were absolutely no hotels in France that allowed pets. The cities I looked up in Italy did. It costs more money, but at least some hotels allowed it.

There are center parks in Holland, Belgium, and France. Pets are allowed in Holland and Belgium but not France. That tells me that the French culture isn't too fond of animals.

as far as the language goes, I know it's a romance langauge. I know that it derives from Latin. However, to me the French langauge is way too complicated.

If I ever have the money to go to a part of Africa that speaks French I will learn some basic words and sentences. I wouldn't mind visiting some parts of Africa. Depending on which conutry it is. I have no idea if I would be able to afford to go to Africa other than Egypt where their native language isn't French.

France may have been part of Rome during the Roman empire but both Italy and Franch have a different culture today than back in the Roman empire.

I don't know how you managed to speak Italian in Paris without the people insulting you. Paris is not any different from America when it comes to learning languages. Most of the people in Paris think that French should be the only spoken language. I hear that the people in the south of France are more open to languages.

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I don't care for the French language but that's not why I don't like the cutlure.

Just because Belgium, Switzerland, African countries, Quebec, and several other countries speak French doesn't mean I don't like their culture. Langauges and cultures are two different things. A language is what you speak and a culture is the way of living.

I wanted to keep my mouth shut as to why I don't like the French culture, but I guess I'm kind of forced to share why.

The Southern part of France and the rest of France seems to have different cultures. If it wasn't for the fact that bull fighting is legal in the south of France then I would have love to visit the South of French. I can't say I would be instrested in learning the full language, but I would learn enough to get by.

The French kill animals in an ihumane way for food. That's one of the reasons I don't like the culture. As far as I know African cultures tend to respect animals more. The animals are killed in a humane way when they aren't deprived from the government or white raciests.

Yes, viel is common to eat in the Italian culture. When I wasn't a vegatarian I didn't eat viel because I didn't like the fact that a baby didn't get a chance to grow up and enjoy life for a few years. I also choose not to eat lobster do to the fact that they were boiled alive. The French have food such as stuff goose where they stuff the goose until it chokes to death.

The French people who visit Holland insist on everyone speaking French. They do not try to speak Dutch and will refuse to speak English which is the universal language.

When I was in the USA and the Qubec people came to visit they also insisted that we speak their langauge. The French and Qubec people tend to be arogent. Not all, but in general.

If someone comes from Africa, Switzerland, and Beligum they are not as argoent. In Beligum some of the things that are legal in France when it comes to animals is illegal in Beligum.

There were absolutely no hotels in France that allowed pets. The cities I looked up in Italy did. It costs more money, but at least some hotels allowed it.

There are center parks in Holland, Belgium, and France. Pets are allowed in Holland and Belgium but not France. That tells me that the French culture isn't too fond of animals.

as far as the language goes, I know it's a romance langauge. I know that it derives from Latin. However, to me the French langauge is way too complicated.

If I ever have the money to go to a part of Africa that speaks French I will learn some basic words and sentences. I wouldn't mind visiting some parts of Africa. Depending on which conutry it is. I have no idea if I would be able to afford to go to Africa other than Egypt where their native language isn't French.

France may have been part of Rome during the Roman empire but both Italy and Franch have a different culture today than back in the Roman empire.

I don't know how you managed to speak Italian in Paris without the people insulting you. Paris is not any different from America when it comes to learning languages. Most of the people in Paris think that French should be the only spoken language. I hear that the people in the south of France are more open to languages.
This is all so interesting. Actually quite fascinating.

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Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

If if it makes you feel any better the two things I do like about France is that France tends to be more appreciative of family like the Italian culture and they have really good bread.

I know not all French people are arogent and have disrespect for animals just like not all Italian people are down to earth. I also know that France has its good qaulities (The two I mentioned above) and that Italy has its bad qualities. However, for me the good out weigh the bad for the Italian culture and the bad out weigh the good for the French culture.

Why in the world did I spell veal as viel? Veal and veil (spelled correctly) are two totally different things.

I didn't read for spelling mistakes because I was in a hurry, but I don't know how I wound up spelling veal as viel.

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Found this article , for what it is worth ! 48 Billion euro wow !

The story of Italian fashion began in February
1951 when Count Giorgini staged a fashion show for an
international audience in Florence. Today, Italy ranks with
Paris and New York as one of the top three players in the
world of fashion. The fashion industry – Moda Italiana - is
one of the most economically influential sectors of the
Italian economy with employing 700,000 people, at over
70,000 companies with revenues of more than 48 billion
Euro. The secret of 'made in Italy' success is to be found
in the creativity and advanced technological skills which
Italian fashion companies embody
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