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| | (PART3)The head of the Italian government would be finished in prison in the USA?
Competition outer Mafia association
The prosecutor of Palermo has investigated Berlusconi and Dell'Utri for external competition in association mafia and money laundering. In 1998 the procedure was filed after the preliminary investigation, which had been renewed for a maximum period prescribed by law. Dell'Utri, finally, was sentenced to Palermo to 9 years for external competition in association mafia, the documents show that Forza Italia would have been established to provide new links to the mafia and politicians that Berlusconi would have been put in the hands of Dell'Utri Mafia since 1974.
The July 26, 2007 has seen the withdrawal of Professor. Giuffrida, an official of the Bank of Italy and expert on behalf of the prosecutor's in the process of Palermo who saw accused Senator Marcello Dell'Utri for external competition in association mafia, on the conclusions from these judges resigned to the dark about the provenance large quantities of money (113 billion lire of the time), in the vaults of Fininvest in the second half of 1970 Years.
Giuffrida, who was querelato for defamation for his statements at the trial, reaches an agreement with transitive Mediaset, which reports that " 'Dr. Giuffrida [...] acknowledges the limits of its conclusions resigned in developed and Statements made at the hearing and that these operations object of his examination were consulting all ricostruibili and shall not the injection of capital from outside the group Fininvest "and that Fininvest / Mediaset take note" that limits the advice of Dr. Giuffrida are not dipesi by his negligence but from events unrelated to his will - deadline and subsequent filing of proceedings - which have led to partial conclusions and not definitive. "
Lawyers in the process of Giuffrida for defamation have issued a statement, reported dall'ANSA, which argue that they have been warned only a few days before (July 18) that lawyers Mediaset had proposed a transaction to their assisted, not share nor that the first document ( "A draft agreement that they did not agree, believing that what is stated in the document did not correspond to the real procedural acquisitions"), nor the final version slightly correct ( "not subscribe not sharing the reconstruction of the facts and the statements contained therein ").
The expertise of Giuffrida was considered by the courts already at the time based on only "a partial documentation", but was deemed valid by virtue of the fact that it had "found denied by the defence counsel Dell'Utri", as the same Professor Paolo Iovenitti (defence expert), before the conclusions of Giuffrida, had admitted that some operations were "potentially non-transparent" and had "made clear on the matter under consideration, although the consultant defence availability of all existing documentation in the archives of Fininvest. "[11] [12]
This retraction, contained in the legal settlement reached by Mediaset and prof. Giuffrida a settlement of the dispute established by Mediaset same for defamation, however, does not allow to clarify, once and for all, the origin of capital group company headed by Silvio Berlusconi.
Defamation aggravated by the use of television
Silvio Berlusconi is currently investigated by the Prosecutor of Rome for defamation aggravated by the use of television, in relation to each other declarations by the then Premier on relations between so-called Cooperative and Red Camorra during an interview released on February 3, 2006 to a national broadcaster. The inscription was made following the complaint lodged by the chairman of the National League of Cooperatives Poletti.
Telecinco (Spain)
In Spain, Berlusconi with other managers Fininvest, is accused of violation of antitrust law, tax fraud and various offences (eg money laundering) for the broadcaster Telecinco founded by him. The process was suspended from 2001 to 2006 (ie not entail prescription) not to interfere in relations between Italy and Spain, but was taken in April 2006 on the orders of the courts and is back in the hands of the famous Judge Baltasar Garzón who first initiated the proceedings.
The Audiencia Nacional has acquitted all the defendants and eight hours, according Niccolò Ghedini (Berlusconi's lawyer), you will immediately there was a storage acquittal because the fact does not exist.
This is, however, an interpretation given by the Italian press, in fact absolution (for minor offences of some managers mediaset) has no relation with the proceedings of the court Garzón.
Trading television rights
The PM Alfredo Robledo and Fabio De Pasquale, who collected 50,000 pages of documents with requests in 12 countries, have requested the trial for 14 suspects:
* Silvio Berlusconi (embezzlement, tax fraud and false accounting)
* Fedele Confalonieri (false accounting)
* Frank Agrama (man of "support" Fininvest in America)
* David Mills (husband of a government minister Blair)
* Daniele Lorenzano (capoacquisti Finivest)
* Erminio Giraudi (merchant meat in Monaco)
* Paulo Bue (Swiss banker)
* Giancarlo Foscale and Candia Camaggi (cousin of Knight and consort, responsible for the Swiss Finance)
* Other executives of Fininvest and Mediaset.
In addition to these have been withdrawn (ie will be contested in separate proceedings) positions of Marina Berlusconi (to become president Mediaset) and Piersilvio Berlusconi, accused of money laundering.
All Iberian was born appears from this line of investigation on two foreign companies linked to Silvio Berlusconi Finanziaria (Luxembourg company), Century One and Universal One. The accounts of these companies have left the last track funds blacks "distracted in bank accounts in Switzerland, the Bahamas and Monte Carlo, [..] in the availability of suspects [..] and managed by trustees Berlusconi." The crest on the purchase of the rights of films made in the USA took place, according to the hypothesis accusatoria, so illegal Mediaset not bought them directly but by offshore companies (Century One and Universal One and other like Wiltshire Trading and Harmony Gold) to turn them to other companies cedevano twin, making increased the price for each passage. The difference between the real value and allowed the final set aside funds blacks.
Berlusconi would have pocketed funds blacks (280 million euros in dollars, lira, French and Swiss francs and Dutch guilders) in black, without pay taxes and frodando its shareholders (false accounting). But the main difficulty for the PM was to understand how these operations were done, given that the premier has left all officers in 1993. Berlusconi would continue to deal with the company through prestanome. Accusatoria The hypothesis is supported by testimonies of Carlo Bernasconi (head of Silvio Berlusconi Communications), Oliver Novick (Head of Corporate Development Directorate) and Marina Camana (Bernasconi secretary who, according to the revelations dell'Espresso, told precisely that claims for the purchases came from Arcore).
In recent days the Guardia di Finanza has searched the offices of Mediatrade spa, the company that is controlled by the Group Berlusconi who has taken the place, from February 1999, Mediaset and Maltese Ims to purchase the TV rights. The prosecutor would have discovered mass transfers of money Wiltshire Trading (company headed to Agrama) for Swiss accounts of characters Mediaset (called "Leonardo", "Hyphen", "Teleologico", "Primorsko", "Sorsio", "Clock" and "Pache"). This new trend comes from the testimony of a former Paramount executive, Bruce Gordon, which defines Agrama as "agent of Berlusconi and Fininvest representative." Mohamed Farouk Agrama, said Frank, is considered interface Lorenzano (formerly capoacquisti Mediaset) in the USA.
According to the Prosecutor accumulation of funds blacks would be continued beyond 1999, until 2002 when Berlusconi was former President of the Council. Berlusconi and Mills are accused of corruption in court documents. We read in notified on February 16, 2006:
"Deponendo Mills as a witness in the trials' Arces + other 'and' All Iberian ', accepted the promise and subsequently received by Carlo Bernasconi (Fininvest managers, who died in 2001, editor's note), following the disposal of Silvio Berlusconi, the sum 600mila of dollars invested by the same Mills in units of the fund Janus Capital and the following year reinvested in the Torrey Global Offshore Fund, to perform acts contrary to the duties of office of witness: as indeed was affirming the false and tacendo in whole or partly what was in its possession regarding the role of Silvio Berlusconi in the structure of offshore companies created by the same Mills, off-balance-sheet structure used over time for illegal activities and operations private group Fininvest. "
In front of the judges, in particular, Mills' ometteva to declare to its understanding regarding the ownership and control of offshore companies, Fininvest group B and is therefore not revealed which of them were beneficiaries Silvio Berlusconi, Carlo Bernasconi and Livio Gironi, and whereas the same was exercised by trustees of the family Berlusconi "also" ometteva to report the fact of telephone conversation in the intervening night of November 24, 1995 with Silvio Berlusconi in order to the company All Iberian and financing from 10 billion lire paid through All Iberian to Bettino Craxi. "
Bugie rewarded, according to the prosecutor, those with 600,000 U.S. dollars recycled from Mills in funds reserved.[/COLOR]
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I wish it were true that in America Berlusconi would be in jail but more likely he would be welcomed as a hero by Bush....honor among thieves. I have heard that the Bushes made their fortune by laundering Nazi money in US banks during the war. The bigger the thief, the more they like him here. This is not the America you remember fondly, heroes of World War II and the Marshall Plan.
For one example: there is a major thief here who stole 90 million dollars from the Shah of Iran's personal account, not even the Iranian treasury, while he was oil minister by the name of Hooshang Ansary. He has received the Ellis Island Good Citizens award, he is chairman of the board of Cornell Medical School and Director of the Bush Senior library. He turned the 90 million into 700 million by selling oil field equipment to the Islamic Republic of Iran. So I hate to disillusion you but the bigger and badder and richer they are, the more they like them here!
What has happened to Italy of the '80's when all the women judges were cleaning up the government, taking down the Mafia capo by capo, and there was a great woman Minister of Education? What hell happened to all that? They even investigated Aldo Moro and found he had Mafia connections...nothing was sacred in those days...
I love Italy like my mother country having grown up there but like a Senese friend of mine said last summer:"Italia e diventato invisibile!" I mean Americans love it because it is non threatening...an expensive playground that generates luxury goods, high fashion, design, gourmet food, wine...where are the burning social issues, who is protesting the war and injustice? Even Cine Citta is long dead. Rich Americans come and rent out entire villages in Italy and invite all their yuppie friends for their daughters' weddings...it has become a big business...Dio gatto...what has the world come to that we are so blind and indifferent to the poor. I don't know how my friend Dario can stand dealing with all the spoiled brats on those Chianti tours...it takes some real intestinal fortitude...
It pains me to criticize Italy. The only thing I can think of where they are making significant advances and contributions to humanity right now is in medicine and genetics.
So tell me all about Veltroni...I want to know!!!
tante cose,
Brian
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Well, all countries have their positives and negatives. Both Italy and the U.S. have made great progress but that's not always a good thing.
As for crooks. If there was any justice Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld should be tried for war crimes. Not to mention all the greedy corporate thieves, the oil companies, and conglomerates like Halliburton that thrive on the misery of others.
America is not what it once was. No longer admired and respected worldwide, due to its aggressive foreign policy, faltering economy, and the slowly erosion of many civil rights.
Crime is everywhere, to the point that nobody dares walk its cities after dark. We have a culture of guns..seems like everybody owns one and are not worried about using it.
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Originally Posted by augustus Well, all countries have their positives and negatives. Both Italy and the U.S. have made great progress but that's not always a good thing.
As for crooks. If there was any justice Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld should be tried for war crimes. Not to mention all the greedy corporate thieves, the oil companies, and conglomerates like Halliburton that thrive on the misery of others.
America is not what it once was. No longer admired and respected worldwide, due to its aggressive foreign policy, faltering economy, and the slowly erosion of many civil rights.
Crime is everywhere, to the point that nobody dares walk its cities after dark. We have a culture of guns..seems like everybody owns one and are not worried about using it. |
Well ... in italy many people hate America ... but so really .. Communists and fascists hates you.. (see what they wrote those of one of the many parties neo fascists called "Fiamma Tricolore"
(Translate in English what is written ..)
In short Rambo = U.S. policy ... rambo for them is the aggressive American policy .. I don't agree with them, because woulds another fascism .. Unfortunately in Italy the real Communists once there are more now defending gays and drug addicts .. you should know that once in italia there was the Communist Party (PARTITO COMUNISTA).
a party very seriously and just .. [A party which was both against the USSR, against the U.S. ... hours this party has changed its name: it is called Democratic Party (PARTITO DEMOCRATICO with walter veltroni) .. the world of left evolves, the world of right back .. and those of the right are the richest, mafia, croocks an example is Berlusconi)]
unfortunately the united states have always miss this party ... the U.S., because of marshall plan, have commanded our policy .. we were not independent ..
now i don't know .. however it seems to me that the U.S. command in other countries .. this is not right .. that is why you hate in many...
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Man Augustus, your honesty is like a refreshing tall cold glass of water on a hot summer day!!! Keep up the good work and visit my website: www.zirzameen.com
tante cose,
Brian
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Hai detto bene Rambo!
saluti,
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Originally Posted by Brian H. Appleton Hai detto bene Rambo!
saluti,
Brian | grazie..ciao grande!
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Thanks, Brian...and I agree with Rambo as well.
I think the problem is that America has this superiority complex.
We're numero UNO. We're better at everything. America, love it or leave it. 
The truth is that most Americans are poorly educated and know very little of the world around them. They're pretty gullible and tend to believe the government propaganda. So, when some idiot like Bush wants to start a war, they instantly demonize the enemy, make people like Saddam sound like the most dangerous threat to American security ever... and the people buy it, begin their flag-waving and get in a drunken frenzy....
They know very little of Italy today, for example. I've been asked many times if I'm with the mafia, (in 40 years here I never met or known a mafioso).
They still think the only music we play is songs like "'O sole mio", or that we're all poor in the old country.
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Originally Posted by Rambo Competition outer Mafia association
The prosecutor of Palermo has investigated Berlusconi and Dell'Utri for external competition in association mafia and money laundering. In 1998 the procedure was filed after the preliminary investigation, which had been renewed for a maximum period prescribed by law. Dell'Utri, finally, was sentenced to Palermo to 9 years for external competition in association mafia, the documents show that Forza Italia would have been established to provide new links to the mafia and politicians that Berlusconi would have been put in the hands of Dell'Utri Mafia since 1974.
The July 26, 2007 has seen the withdrawal of Professor. Giuffrida, an official of the Bank of Italy and expert on behalf of the prosecutor's in the process of Palermo who saw accused Senator Marcello Dell'Utri for external competition in association mafia, on the conclusions from these judges resigned to the dark about the provenance large quantities of money (113 billion lire of the time), in the vaults of Fininvest in the second half of 1970 Years.
Giuffrida, who was querelato for defamation for his statements at the trial, reaches an agreement with transitive Mediaset, which reports that " 'Dr. Giuffrida [...] acknowledges the limits of its conclusions resigned in developed and Statements made at the hearing and that these operations object of his examination were consulting all ricostruibili and shall not the injection of capital from outside the group Fininvest "and that Fininvest / Mediaset take note" that limits the advice of Dr. Giuffrida are not dipesi by his negligence but from events unrelated to his will - deadline and subsequent filing of proceedings - which have led to partial conclusions and not definitive. "
Lawyers in the process of Giuffrida for defamation have issued a statement, reported dall'ANSA, which argue that they have been warned only a few days before (July 18) that lawyers Mediaset had proposed a transaction to their assisted, not share nor that the first document ( "A draft agreement that they did not agree, believing that what is stated in the document did not correspond to the real procedural acquisitions"), nor the final version slightly correct ( "not subscribe not sharing the reconstruction of the facts and the statements contained therein ").
The expertise of Giuffrida was considered by the courts already at the time based on only "a partial documentation", but was deemed valid by virtue of the fact that it had "found denied by the defence counsel Dell'Utri", as the same Professor Paolo Iovenitti (defence expert), before the conclusions of Giuffrida, had admitted that some operations were "potentially non-transparent" and had "made clear on the matter under consideration, although the consultant defence availability of all existing documentation in the archives of Fininvest. "[11] [12]
This retraction, contained in the legal settlement reached by Mediaset and prof. Giuffrida a settlement of the dispute established by Mediaset same for defamation, however, does not allow to clarify, once and for all, the origin of capital group company headed by Silvio Berlusconi.
Defamation aggravated by the use of television
Silvio Berlusconi is currently investigated by the Prosecutor of Rome for defamation aggravated by the use of television, in relation to each other declarations by the then Premier on relations between so-called Cooperative and Red Camorra during an interview released on February 3, 2006 to a national broadcaster. The inscription was made following the complaint lodged by the chairman of the National League of Cooperatives Poletti.
Telecinco (Spain)
In Spain, Berlusconi with other managers Fininvest, is accused of violation of antitrust law, tax fraud and various offences (eg money laundering) for the broadcaster Telecinco founded by him. The process was suspended from 2001 to 2006 (ie not entail prescription) not to interfere in relations between Italy and Spain, but was taken in April 2006 on the orders of the courts and is back in the hands of the famous Judge Baltasar Garzón who first initiated the proceedings.
The Audiencia Nacional has acquitted all the defendants and eight hours, according Niccolò Ghedini (Berlusconi's lawyer), you will immediately there was a storage acquittal because the fact does not exist.
This is, however, an interpretation given by the Italian press, in fact absolution (for minor offences of some managers mediaset) has no relation with the proceedings of the court Garzón.
Trading television rights
The PM Alfredo Robledo and Fabio De Pasquale, who collected 50,000 pages of documents with requests in 12 countries, have requested the trial for 14 suspects:
* Silvio Berlusconi (embezzlement, tax fraud and false accounting)
* Fedele Confalonieri (false accounting)
* Frank Agrama (man of "support" Fininvest in America)
* David Mills (husband of a government minister Blair)
* Daniele Lorenzano (capoacquisti Finivest)
* Erminio Giraudi (merchant meat in Monaco)
* Paulo Bue (Swiss banker)
* Giancarlo Foscale and Candia Camaggi (cousin of Knight and consort, responsible for the Swiss Finance)
* Other executives of Fininvest and Mediaset.
In addition to these have been withdrawn (ie will be contested in separate proceedings) positions of Marina Berlusconi (to become president Mediaset) and Piersilvio Berlusconi, accused of money laundering.
All Iberian was born appears from this line of investigation on two foreign companies linked to Silvio Berlusconi Finanziaria (Luxembourg company), Century One and Universal One. The accounts of these companies have left the last track funds blacks "distracted in bank accounts in Switzerland, the Bahamas and Monte Carlo, [..] in the availability of suspects [..] and managed by trustees Berlusconi." The crest on the purchase of the rights of films made in the USA took place, according to the hypothesis accusatoria, so illegal Mediaset not bought them directly but by offshore companies (Century One and Universal One and other like Wiltshire Trading and Harmony Gold) to turn them to other companies cedevano twin, making increased the price for each passage. The difference between the real value and allowed the final set aside funds blacks.
Berlusconi would have pocketed funds blacks (280 million euros in dollars, lira, French and Swiss francs and Dutch guilders) in black, without pay taxes and frodando its shareholders (false accounting). But the main difficulty for the PM was to understand how these operations were done, given that the premier has left all officers in 1993. Berlusconi would continue to deal with the company through prestanome. Accusatoria The hypothesis is supported by testimonies of Carlo Bernasconi (head of Silvio Berlusconi Communications), Oliver Novick (Head of Corporate Development Directorate) and Marina Camana (Bernasconi secretary who, according to the revelations dell'Espresso, told precisely that claims for the purchases came from Arcore).
In recent days the Guardia di Finanza has searched the offices of Mediatrade spa, the company that is controlled by the Group Berlusconi who has taken the place, from February 1999, Mediaset and Maltese Ims to purchase the TV rights. The prosecutor would have discovered mass transfers of money Wiltshire Trading (company headed to Agrama) for Swiss accounts of characters Mediaset (called "Leonardo", "Hyphen", "Teleologico", "Primorsko", "Sorsio", "Clock" and "Pache"). This new trend comes from the testimony of a former Paramount executive, Bruce Gordon, which defines Agrama as "agent of Berlusconi and Fininvest representative." Mohamed Farouk Agrama, said Frank, is considered interface Lorenzano (formerly capoacquisti Mediaset) in the USA.
According to the Prosecutor accumulation of funds blacks would be continued beyond 1999, until 2002 when Berlusconi was former President of the Council. Berlusconi and Mills are accused of corruption in court documents. We read in notified on February 16, 2006:
"Deponendo Mills as a witness in the trials' Arces + other 'and' All Iberian ', accepted the promise and subsequently received by Carlo Bernasconi (Fininvest managers, who died in 2001, editor's note), following the disposal of Silvio Berlusconi, the sum 600mila of dollars invested by the same Mills in units of the fund Janus Capital and the following year reinvested in the Torrey Global Offshore Fund, to perform acts contrary to the duties of office of witness: as indeed was affirming the false and tacendo in whole or partly what was in its possession regarding the role of Silvio Berlusconi in the structure of offshore companies created by the same Mills, off-balance-sheet structure used over time for illegal activities and operations private group Fininvest. "
In front of the judges, in particular, Mills' ometteva to declare to its understanding regarding the ownership and control of offshore companies, Fininvest group B and is therefore not revealed which of them were beneficiaries Silvio Berlusconi, Carlo Bernasconi and Livio Gironi, and whereas the same was exercised by trustees of the family Berlusconi "also" ometteva to report the fact of telephone conversation in the intervening night of November 24, 1995 with Silvio Berlusconi in order to the company All Iberian and financing from 10 billion lire paid through All Iberian to Bettino Craxi. "
Bugie rewarded, according to the prosecutor, those with 600,000 U.S. dollars recycled from Mills in funds reserved.[/COLOR] | Does anyone have more information on Daniele Lorenzano? Where is he living now.Is he still being prosecuted?
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Do have any information on daniele lorenzano? Who is he? Where is living now, in Marrakech Morocco? Is he still being prosecuted?
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