View Full Version : World War III, Is Italy a Safe Place to Be?


jacqueline
08-10-2007, 10:26 PM
World War 3 Timeline

These are, I believe, the elements of the planned Third World War:

* Prelude - The events leading up to the start of World War Three, including Sept 11, 2001.
* Act 1 - The Middle East. Widespread conflict to bring the entire region into the flames of war, possibly triggered by Iran or militants in Pakistan using North Korean supplied nuclear arms. The first Scene in this Act is the US Invasion of Iraq on March 20, 2003.
* Act 2 - Israel at War -- Against her Arab neighbors, possibly Palestine. A Palestinian State will be established, so that all Israelis will be fully separated from Palestinians (listen out for mention of a 7-year treaty to be confirmed by a World Leader - probably Bush), only for Israel to viciously attack Palestine shortly thereafter.
* Act 3 - Far East -- "Hair-raising nuclear confrontation that threatens mankind's existence" - Peter Lemesurier, author of The Armageddon Script, p. 223, written in 1981. Includes China invading Taiwan and a nuclear eruption on the Korean Peninsula.
* Act 4 - Erosion of Confidence in 'The System' so severe citizens will be panicked into giving up liberties and Constitutional form of government. The plan calls for the dissolution of the US Constitution, triggered by a significant enough 'terrorist' attack. The ultimate intent is to introduce a global government and one-world religion.
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Act 5 - The collapse of the US, and other Western economies and morals.
* Act 6 - Significant population reduction using natural and man-made disasters (Genetically Modified Foods which malfuction the Immune system?).
* Curtain. Who can tell how this war will end?

justindemetri
08-13-2007, 03:57 PM
I think we are already seeing stage 4 with the loss of civil liberties here in the US. Which brings me to one of my favorite quotes attributed by one of my favorite historical figures: Ben Franklin

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."

scary stuff indeed...

Joeybell
08-13-2007, 05:08 PM
Hello Jacqueline
I love good works of fiction please tell me more. Maybe the two of us could write a screen play.......The sky is the limit!

teresa_cutler
08-13-2007, 05:49 PM
Jacqueline,

I'm always careful with scenarios like this but I do think the point is well taken. We certainly are heading toward SOMETHING big, particularly in the Middle East, unless something dramatic - and I mean dramatic in a peaceful sense, in a rational sense - happens. Clarification: I don't meant to imply that those in the Middle East are not rational nor that they can't envison or work toward peace. What I mean, only, is that that area of the world (along with parts of Africa) where much of the most violent and senseless events are taking place....

... and that is where the energy of the world is being drawn.

It would not surprise me if the whole thing expands before it contracts and some version of peace is accomplished there, but I really don't think... I really HOPE... that it's not as dramatic and frightening as the scenario you laid out.

I have a theory about world peace... not necessarily the place to put it in this Forum but if you're interested, email!

As for Italy - what is happening in Italy right now with civil rights and safety and the airports and so on? I've been there twice since Sept. 11 and noticed the heightened security at the airports but since I'm not privy to the internal workings of the country, I don't know the everyday rights that might be being eliminated. I agree with Justin, that quote by Franklin is one of my mainstays, and I am very afraid of all that in relation to the U.S.

Not sure how it's all playing out there in Italy.

I spend my days in both trepidation and hope, and I try to, in my everyday actions, send good energy into the world. Whatever one's religion or nationality, good energy has to be a good thing.

Teresa

bubbles
08-14-2007, 05:56 AM
This is uncanny, I have been reading (a slightly depressing) book by George Orwell,called 1984, written by him in the 1940s after he saw the effects of Fascism. It is his vision of the year 1984, which was for him the near future.

In this book, there are giant telescreens everywhere, and the Party can look into your home through the televisions, History has been changed beyond recognition by those in power, and freedom of expression is extinct to the extent that even thinking of anything against the Party is a crime, a thought-crime!


Scary stuff, and one cant blame Orwell for his dystopian view of things, both the nuclear age and the television were new at that time.

While 1984 wasn't quite so bad as Orwell projected, we see traces of his feared events like snooping around in private spaces for "national security".

All this talk about WW III and the book by Orwell have shaken me up....I do hope, like a lot of us, that everything will go well....and try and do tiny my bit to heal the world.

jacqueline
08-14-2007, 09:32 PM
We do not possess freedom, its only an illusion. We are controled by subliminal mesages everywhere anyone see They Live in the 80's?

That wasnt so far from the truth. The holy bible has been edited by a Freemason named Francis Bacon what we read and believe has already been tampered with religion is a way that keeps the majority out of the hair of the Elite its a wonderful distractor its worlds miracles!! Leave us full of mind garbage computer distractions er wiland ever search the truth...never find it

The law Bush passed on intruding our emails, and tapping our phones...little by little freedom will be as small as drops of rain in the desert.
We dont need to vote, they know who must be put in to run the plans..we only think we count.

They cause Chaos only to make it seem like they are rescuing us poor souls who cannot defend ourselves, nor think for ourselves. There have been experiments done on sound waves that can manipulate our minds. Our food has been tainted against our wills, and we arent even able to track them...they are all unlabeled is this what we can call freedom?

teresa_cutler
08-20-2007, 07:01 PM
Hi All,

Now I'm getting a little freaked out... not by the theories but by the sense of 'definitive reality' attached to them.

I think we have to be careful about conspiracy theories. It's always possible to find 'hidden' meanings, harbingers of doom, underlying motives, slides into armageddon, and etc. I think once you start looking at the world that way, though, you start creating that very world you're afraid is already out there.

There is also plenty of evidence in the world for the force of good: Heifer International, Doctors without Borders, Mother Teresa, the Hollywood makeup artist who has returned to Afghanistan to help the women there learn to support themselves with their own skills, even the pope's recent visit to a mosque in Turkey, and a hundred other examples.

I belive that if we look at the world through the lens of fear, we find plenty of things to feed that fear, and the world feels doomed. But buying into that fear is itself creating negativity, and by its very nature our fear sends that negativity into the world... making that potential end result much more possible.

We can choose how we see things, how we interpret, how we understand. And by choosing NOT to see conspiracies around every corner, we help in diminshing their power over people and thought.

Okay... all that sound all foo-foo and new-agey, I guess. I'm not one of those people who sees the world in all goodness and light. But I do think that the manner by and through and with which we approach the world is vitally important, and can either contribute to the BAD or the GOOD that does exist.

It's all about the choices each of us makes. I choose to - while staying very aware of events and situations both good and bad around the world (I read 15 - 20 different country's online news venues daily) - believe that ultimately, there is no underlying conspiracy.

Occam - a 14th century English philosopher - came up with a rule that might be applicable here. It's called Occam's Razor and is defined as:

A rule in science and philosophy stating that entities should not be multiplied needlessly. This rule is interpreted to mean that the simplest of two or more competing theories is preferable and that an explanation for unknown phenomena should first be attempted in terms of what is already known.

I think this is a solid approach to just about everything, and if we look at the events of the world through this lens, it sure seems that it's much more likely that some bad people do bad things, and some good people do good things, than that there's a huge vast conspiracy throughout the ages that is set on some kind of control of the whole of humanity.

Teresa

stephaniealexis8
12-04-2007, 01:14 AM
What an interesting thread - I hope its flames are fanned again sometime soon. Any thread that drops George Orwell, Occam's Razor and John Carpenter's 'They Live' all on the first page is a party.

I agree it's easy - too easy - to see the boogeyman in the closest, especially when the lights are out. Surf the web enough you'll find a conspiracy theory about nearly everything. (In fact, there was an interesting Mel Gibson movie that dealt with the truth behind such paranoia called, you guessed it, 'Conspiracy Theories.')

Can Occam's Razor be applied to politics? It seems that world is far too nefarious...

I confess I'm seriously considering looking into a dual citizenship if only because I think America is slowly sinking into a morass of militarized theocracy. What used to be unheard of - the removal of the boundary between church and state, trading in freedoms for safety, the repetition of The Big Lie (whatever that should be for the day), the disapproval or even outright banning of free thought, the overbearing use of force - is becoming commonplace. In just the last few weeks civilians are being killed by the use of 'tasers' by the police. This never used to happen before.

It's a gradual process - much like the frog-in-boiling-water scenario - but it's happening. Will the next election really change anything? Power begets power. I pray nothing happens between now and then.

As for the question about Italy being safe, I think so. I can only hope it wouldn't be so quick to march behind America into any Middle Eastern conflict again. Italy's current government strikes me as much more aware of the dangers now...

sardoman
12-04-2007, 10:43 AM
I was reading a magazine article the other day which states that the UK has more CCTV cameras than any other country, in fact it has 20% of all CCTV cameras in the world! :eek:
A huge quantity have gone up in the last 4 years since I left there, and returning to London last summer I was shocked by the number. It is now impossible to go anywhere in central London without being "on camera". As a fine upstanding member of society :p I don't have a problem with this, it gives me an extra sense of security knowing they are there.

But I believe the safest place in Italy is in Sardinia. The island is often forgotten, not just by politicians but also map makers. There are so many maps of Italy which don't include it, so come here and be safe!!

Oh, and what they don't know about you isn't worth knowing... trust me! :cool:

justindemetri
12-04-2007, 02:02 PM
With the way things are going here in the states, Sardoman, don't be surprised if you see my wife and I knocking on your door someday :D

It does seem like a good place to hide: Easy enough to live "off the grid" but close enough to civilization when you need it.